Empaths:
When it comes to "empaths" it just makes sense that people could easily develop highly developed or enhanced intuition. Furthermore, it could be argued that an ability for "enhanced connection" would be an "evolutionary adaptive trait." On top of that there is substantial evidence supporting the existence and reality of mental telepathy. An article categorizes six types of empathy: Emotional Empathy, Physical/Medical Empathy, Geomantic Empathy (highly tuned to nature and the environment), Plant Empathy, Animal empathy, Clairvoyant/Intuitive Empathy. by In fact there is a documented case of an autistic who not surprisingly had problematic social skills, had, as it turned out, an empathetic ability or relate to animals.
Empaths, of course, would be a another example of a rather common "internalization of stimuli" would be empaths. I spoke with a young woman who is a student at a local University who is working as a waitress at a nearby restaurant. She told em that at times she "feels" others' pains on occasion. She related a story of once when talking to an acquaintance or friend after the person told her about a pain in her back, she also physically felt pain in her back. I asked her if it could be overwhelming at times. She responded, "Yes!" Actually here are "Empath" FB groups, and a precursory overview suggested that being constantly tuned to others' feelings and emotions could be a real pain in the butt sometime. In my personal situation I would never recommended that anyone "think" like I do, and overall, some inhibiting or repressive processes are very healthy in my view (one reason possibly why some react so irrationally to the idea o spirit-psychic).
I should highlight that technically, empath experiences are without doubt definitely not automatically totally "out of this world," as it were. Neuroscientists have shown that mirror neurons are a significant process in the human mind. Neuroscience research has demonstrated that the same exact neuron in the mind hat activates when a monkey eats a banana, the same exact neuron activates when the monkey watches another monkey eating a banana. On top of that there is substantial research that mental telepathy does exist and is a reality.
Stories about Seeing Through Others’ Eyes and Internalization
1. Jeane Dixon: There is a story taken from when Jeane Dixon met a young woman who always had the façade and appearance of being extremely vibrant and vert energetic. Upon meeting the woman, Jeane Dixon immediately sank down into a chair feeling very weak. Under questioning the woman admitted that while driving here she felt so weak that she didn’t know if she could make it all the way to meet Jeane Dixon. the visitor went on to say she almost always felt very tired and exhausted.
2. Edgar Cayce: Documented psychic-healer active from roughly 1925 to 1945) - It would only make sense that people, in general, would tend to have some strengths - and then some weaknesses. In a way, the healing that Edgar Cayce performed for patients and clients, were much more miraculous and wonderful than his historical repertoire of political predictions-prophecies. In a sense, healing, in and of itself, would seem more fruitful than making predictions to make predictions. Linda Caputi, a nurse, who diligently and thoroughly researched and detailed how Edgar Cayce actually did, in fact, cure eight epileptics. The eight were out of the total number of epileptic clients of 105 epileptics that he treated. Even today, modern medicine recognizes that the symptoms of epileptics can generally be managed but as a rule, even with modern drugs, epileptics cannot be cured except perhaps with brain surgery.
Illustration of Internalization from a reading:
Cayce Observation: ‘He’s not here yet….he’s still on a bus……a wonderful smell of flowers….’ Feedback Report ’At the time the Reading was scheduled he was stuck on the bus….We had just opened his window and the smell of jasmine filled the room.’” Since Edgar Cayce was literally "smelling" the flowers, it is clear that he internalized another's perception.
3. Theresa Caputo, the TV Long Island Medium: There are numerous examples from Theresa Caputo. She is truly one of the really amazing psychics, primarily because she is so consistent. My experiences are much more haphazard, partly because I don't make predictions - which historically has never succeeded and always had very high failure rates (Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, Jeane Dixon) most likely because making predictions simply in order to make predictions makes no sense biologically, psychologically, or spiritually. Verbalizing perceptions of threats to the group or helping other people makes quite a bit of sense biologically, however. In my own defense I must say that while she has a subject or client to focus on, I have nothing, and in my case it could be from anyone or anywhere in the world, so to speak.
Statistically - and scientifically, Theresa Caputo is phenomenal - a true super woman - that is if you are into statistics,. What psychologists didn't seem to pick up is that in Theresa Captuo' case, even a very low chance occurrence evaluation with low chance expectancy when multiplied statistically and mathematically quickly adds up. I watch her how when I get a chance, and I know that she has had at lest ten shows with at lest one successful illustration of information from a transcendent source. If there are ten illustrations of information she “gets’ psychically rated with a 1 out of ten chance odds of happening, the odds of those ten illustrations happening, would mathematically come out to 1 in ten billion. Of course, I am sure she makes mistakes and some scenes end up on the cutting floor. If she makes one hundred mistakes, then mathematically and statistically, the odds then come out to one in one hundred million - which is still highly significant. I make mistakes myself - all the time. my notarized precognitive "What a nightmare" or "Mustard Seed" experience, being that it is unique (the only written prediction-warning except for Nostradamus) with and unprecedented 10 details and very accurate, as well, and having never been done before would have at minimum Mega-million odds of occurring - which means statistically I can make a whole lot of mistakes and still be 'significant.' Here is a link to successful scientific experiments, by Daryl Bem (including over 1,500 subjects in over 100 countries) as well as Julia Mossbridge's meta-Analysis of presentiment experiments: https://www.spirittruthandmeaning.com/research-into-psychic-phenomenon
One example of 'internalization' would be that on one TV episode show she said (talking about herself), she felt something at the back of her head, holding her hand to the back of her head. The man, whose girlfriend had been killed, said that his girlfriend was killed by a blow to the back of her head. Several times she feels pain in her chest then she knows that that person has chest cancer (or something), and so on. Almost all her demonstrations are illustrated through how she personally perceives or feels internally.
4. It would only make sense that some people would have some strengths as well as some weaknesses. That seems true for psychics as well. Theresa Caputo, the TV Long Island Medium is good at ‘contacting’ the spirits of departed loved ones. Edgar Cayce was very good at healing, having cured 8 epileptics way before the advent of any epileptic medicine. For whatever reason, occasionally (somewhat haphazardly in fact), I do have some dreams or precognitive perception of political events from time to time (lucky me).
Empathy and Internalization for Perspective
Walking in others shoes often helps understanding. Here is a poem, which appears to reflect extremely well an "empathy state of mind," which was written by the transpersonal therapist Rebecca Makowski (M.A.-S, LPC-S, BC-TMH), would hopefully properly set the tone for this essay about empathy and internalization. In my view, it illustrates extremely well that empathy involves not just a perception, but a state of mind and a different perspective.
I painted for you a door today.
And beyond the lock I prepared a space.
Where the cHords of our journey are intertwined
A meaning of you suspended inside
Some day I shall hand to you the key.
And point to the door locked inside of me.
So you may SEE where you live
And me; alight from the glow that you give.
For you this gift, a painted door
A symbol of your meaning in my soul.
Commentary and reflections: I must confess that I have, personally "internalized" some 'psychic' stimuli [which is different from empathy], on occasion, from time to time, and in my view, Rebecca's poem resonates strongly, especially the lines:
A meaning of you suspended inside, Some day I shall hand to you the key.
Introduction: The Process of Internalization in Psychology and Social Psychology
In general "internalization" which is a very real factor and characteristic of ordinary thinking in normal psychology. Social Psychology has done numerous experiment on 'group dynamics' and and how people - or subjects in experiments - react to group membership. If there is one thing social psychology has proved is the ingroup-outgroup syndrome. What they have demonstrated is that subjects "readily and easily" - in truth, automatically - adopt the role of being members of a group. Group members generally adopt (many-most) of the group's norms and values of a group.
In fact, the Self-determination theory of Deci and Rayn argues there are two types of assimilation of values - internalization which creates stronger beliefs and external assimilation of social or group values which is weaker. The bottom line is that there are processes in the human mind that clearly facilitate "internalization" of other's views. In the social psychology experiments, subjects naturally "internalize" group norms and values, and automatically reflect a favoritism for ingroup members and hostility toward outgroup members.
Telephone Telepathy and Internalization
The psychologists Mossbridge and Baruss, in their book Transcendent Mind, briefly address a phenomenon known as "telephone telepathy," which refers to the "commonly reported experience of thinking of thinking about someone just before they call..... reported by approximately 40% to 70% of the population" (Transcendent Mind p.38). Of course having a memory spontaneously 'pop-up' about someone else would be a form of "internalization" in that 'you' have internalized a perception of someone else without recognizing it as a specific 'external' perception or stimuli.
Take Theresa Caputo for instance, who is the TV very successful Long Island Medium. Wehn she talks she most often talks about herself in one form or another. One example of 'internalization' would be that on one TV episode show she said (talking about herself), she felt something at the back of her head, holding her hand to the back of her head. The man, whose girlfriend had been killed, said that his girlfriend was killed by a blow to the back of her head. Several times she feels pain in her chest then she knows that that person has chest cancer (or something), and so on. Almost all her demonstrations are illustrated through how she personally perceives or feels internally. That is it easier to talk about yourself and orient your perceptions and thoughts about yourself - as opposed to trying to figuring out what is happening externally to yourself. An analogy would be to water which takes the easiest route "out" as it were. The same would be true of telephone telepathy - if one has a perception from an external source it is easier to "associate" and bring up a memory o the person, so to speak.
Part II: Political-Intuition Precognition & ‘'internalization!"
While the roughly a couple dozen spiritual-psychic experiences that I have had in 38 years have actually occurred rather haphazardly, nearly all could best be described as "perceptions-warnings of threats to the group" - experiences clearly rooted in instinctual process, and perhaps better understood as my personal-human variation of animal alarm calls. Of my spiritual-psychic experiences, I have one very detailed and remarkable "once in a lifetime" transcendental spiritual experience which comparatively speaking was exceptionally detailed: group, fabricating bombs, money, woman, death, identification of the weathermen manifesto, "New York." On top of that, I have had a few detailed precognitive dreams, and perhaps up to a couple dozen what I call "tags" - which I define as 'a fairly well described central action plus one or two details.' Of those precognitive perceptions and dreams, six or seven are documented.
In my personal situation, the reason I refer to my 'gift' as Political Intuition-Precognition is because in reviewing my political posts on FB it is clear I am pretty good at figuring out how most political situations will shake out. Personally, I believe my letter to the allies in mid March 2017 saying that America is in an historical cycle similar to the "Might Makes Right" historical cycle the Athenians were in after they defeated the Persians when power went to their heads and they consistently bullied, threatened, and intimidated their allies in then Delian League. Eventually the Athenians ended up having to put down two armed revolts. Of course Trump has proved me right and then some. He has bullied, threatened, and intimidated our allies and NATO to "infinity and beyond" - literally.
I just saw an article about how Trump by removing U.S. troops from Germany is - once again - undermining German Chancellor Merkel which he has belittles and badgered publicly from day one, at a critical time when Merkel is trying to negotiate with the very aggressive Russian leader Putin. I see things a bit differently many. It appears to me there are very significant and powerful social, religious, political, cultural and now even social media forces at work in the world and the environment. And in my view I just nailed the "Might makes Right" attitude of Trump and the Republican leaders as well as the arrogant mindset of some Christian leaders and social scientists (namely materialists). In my personal situation I would describe the spiritual-psych experiences as the afterburner of a jet fighter that kicks on (a bit randomly in my view) which does likely create "Archetypal energy" as the Jungian psychologists Furlotti and Kalshed vigorously argue.
Some Examples of "Internalization" from some of my Spiritual-Psychic Experiences
1. France - Mera: I was out
and about doing errands when I had a sudden, what can only be described as, a
“flash” of anger against France. It was actually a very strong emotional surge
that caught me off-guard. I realized instantly I was seeing through someone
else’s eyes. In high school I had spent a year in France as an exchange
student. I have fond memories of my French family and truly rich memories of
Paris. So, I knew for a fact it wasn’t “me” that was angry with France – that
it was a telepathic connection with a terrorist. The anger did actually seem definitely
directed at France. Since I had had some
parallel experiences before, I realized that a terrorist was going to attack
soon.
About a week later, in France, a Muslim lone-wolf terrorist, named Mohammed Mera, went on a killing spree from March 11 to 19, 2012. The investigation showed Mera, the lone wolf terrorist, was upset by France’s participation in the Afghanistan war in which Muslims were killed. So it would seem that Mera was, in fact, motivated and driven by "anger against France” as a nation.
2. "22 were assembled" - looking through the eyes of a terrorist
Another documented case, happened in my notarized, precognitive "What a nightmare" warning. In the stream of consciousness which focused on the terrorist group, the Weathermen which had a a resurgent faction in 1981. There is a 'line' in the stream of consciousness, "22 were assembled against me, I being America." As it turned out the terrorist group had a shootout with the Nyack, New York police force, which turned out to have 22 officers. So the "22 assembled" were actually "for America," not against it, as the line showed. The next line said that I 'asked for an exorcism' - which I never did, in reality. I believe what happened is that rather than interrupt the stream of consciousness and end it, an unconscious correction was made by 'implying' that I was actually seeing through the terrorist eyes at the moment.
Here is a link to my notarized and detailed "What a nightmare" Transcendental Spiritual Experience: https://www.spirittruthandmeaning.com/mustard-seed
3. Fore-Warning the FBI of the Reagan Assassination:
Internalizing "perceptions" and thereby translating into perception my personal framework.
I did end up calling the FBI and warning them of an assassination attempt against President Reagan. However there were some events that led up to that call. Before the Reagan assassination attempt I met a very nice young woman, an almost stereotypically Midwestern being from Perrysburg, Ohio. She was a bartender at the French quarter at the Holiday Inn. Being unattached and going through a divorce at the time, I visited her frequently and tried to talk to her as much as I could.
One day, while I was talking to TJ - completely out of the blue - I spontaneously launched into a 'rant', basically, about "unions" and in a parenthetic (out of place, out of context) statement I spoke about how my father 'should' "unionize" his company which was completely and totally absurd since my father was a Vice President at a major New York Stock exchange company. I believe, like Theresa Caputo, I was taking a perception of something external (Hinckley's assassination attempt) and putting it into my own frame of reference. I also talked about "waving the bloody shirt." Of course President Ronald Reagan got shot in the chest at the union hall in Washington D.C. That is, I internalized a "perception" and translated that perception into my own personal framework and situation.
Separate, Autonomous Unconscious Spiritual-Psychic Processes.
I believe when Carl Jung was right on target when stated that "spirit is an autonomous unconscious process" acting as an over-riding conscience at times which could assert control at times. However in my personal experience the integration between the conscious self and the "spirit" as it were, is integrated pretty well at times, and not integrated at all on occasion. I remember from that time being afraid because of something I said to TJ about the impending assassination attempt that the government might find disturbing. That is the main reason I ended up calling the FBI and warning them about the attempted assassination. The FBI agent, of course, told me I should call the Secret Service, then surprised me by asking me when I thought it would happen. After the assassination attempt I got around to asking TJ if she remembered me saying anything. She did respond, saying, "Yes." But she wouldn't tell me what I said.
The documented psychic, Edgar Cayce, was called the "sleeping prophet" because he would go into a trance and respond to questions and give readings while in a trance. When Cayce awoke from the trance he never remembered anything he said - his spiritual-psychic unconscious process was independent - which from what I understand happens fairly often. When I talked to TJ, it seems my spiritual-psychic autonomous unconscious process wasn't completely "integrated" with the cognitive processes at that particular time - something I have problems with from time to time.
That is the process at the time was separate and independent. I knew I had said something to her about the upcoming assassination attempt against President Reagan. Partly because I remembered the fear and partly a deduction from the clear memory of talking to her in that completely absurd way about unions. However, to this day I have absolutely no idea what I said - none. I bring that up because there is a ghost of a memory of having internalized Hinckley a bit (I had a real crush on TJ at the time parallel to Hinckley's infatuation with Jody Foster) - without knowing it - and looking though Hinckley's eyes for a short time - similar to the "What a nightmare" situation of looking through the eyes of Katherine Boudin. It was only a couple decades later when I had the flash vision of the French terrorist that "internalization" was a real thing.
Commentary and Reflections
From talking with others my sense of it is that "internalization" happens more frequently than what one would ordinarily think. In a sense it is often easier to talk about yourself than others, so grasping a psychic perception by thinking in terms of yourself! Also, there is the fact that neuroscience has shown that understanding is often gained through brain processes that include “mirror” processes - in which the same exact neurons are activated if one is eating a banana or whether one is watching another eat a banana.
Internalization does suggest that having repressive "software," as it were, would be essential to keeping balance since not being able to differentiate between your "self" and internalized external perceptions could be a serious problem. I thought I should also mention that a friend of mine who 'learned remote viewing mentioned that sometimes she has to step back as it were at some of the visions that appear to her. Of course new experiences require serious adjustment and often involves some trauma when they first occur. I don't suggest to anyone to think like I do, since besides internalization periodically being problematic, it also some serious drawbacks, especially since my "strength" is perceptions of threats to the group (lucky me) which means my political intuition and precognition is directly connected to groups-related instincts - which involve extremely powerful emotions. I say only partly tongue in check that the one big difference between me and other Americans is that i get mad before something happens rather than wait for an event to occur. powerful emotions known to humanity.
Of course Theresa Caputo, the Long Island Medium, who helps people get closure with departed loved ones, is nothing like me at all. In her work, most likely engages the anterior cingulate region in the brain, which as the psychologist Singer's experiments showed in implicated in the emotion of empathy. I can tell you quite frankly than in my perceptions of threats to the group not even the slightest hint of empathy has emerged.
The question crossed my mind as to whether internalization could be a problem for schizophrenics who could possibly be translating external political stimuli into voices and internalizing social-political stimuli. Here is a link to Joan of Arc, The White Rider of Revelations, Synthesis of the Senses, Some "Documented" Precognitive Dreams, and Situational Intelligence!
Link to website: https://www.spirittruthandmeaning.com/
Flightless Birds and 110 Million Americans (minimally) Have Spiritual Experiences
For tens of thousands of years people have had spiritual experiences. As Emile Durkheim, a founding father of sociology, pointed out, spiritual and religious beliefs have been pivotal and vital in the emergence of society, culture, and civilization. Without question spiritual experiences have been pivotal in meaning creation in creating totemic societies based on shamanism and beliefs in animal spirits. As societies developed spiritual beliefs and processes contributed in the creation of spiritual and social ideals such as compassion which is a central concept in every major religion. Human beings have had spiritual experiences for tens of thousands of years, and in light of the fact that it has been demonstrated that some traits of religiosity are inherited, it would be safe to assume that there would be, similar to Carl Jung's assumption, various spiritual and religious unconscious processes and archetypes embedded in the human consciousness, as well as the unconscious.
The existential psychologists and editors, Park and Paloutzian, in the Handbook of the Psychology of Religion and Spirituality, state "numerous survey studies in both the United States and Europe have demonstrated the normalcy of reports of religious experiences, including mystical experience (see Spilka, Hood, Hunsberger, & Gorsuch, 2003, pp. 307-312). Depending on the specific wording of the questions asked, anywhere from a third to a half of the populations affirm such experiences...While this correlational data does not provide evidence of that causes such reports, it does establish the normalcy of such reports and indicates social scientists have until recently ignored a common phenomena." (p. 67) Park and Paloutzian emphasize that the "reports" of spiritual experiences by people surveyed definitely do not prove the reality or physical existence of a "transcendental spirit" in any way. However, Park and Paloutzian do maintain the surveys do definitely demonstrate that spiritual experiences have a "normalcy."
That is "spiritual experiences are OK" – which should have been the situation all along since the 'golden rule' in psychology is: I'm OK, You are OK. I haven't been able to get hold of any of the articles referenced by Park and Paloutzian yet, but the spiritual experiences from the surveys are probably a mixed bag with a wide variety of very diverse types and varieties of experiences such as mental telepathy, NDE’s, spirits or ghosts, a few precognitive experiences, perhaps some angels, and without question, some “mystic” experiences of oneness of being or awe and wonder, along with an occasional alien abduction or two.
Not long ago, I spoke with a biology PhD, and asked her why - or how - flightless birds de-evolved and lost their ability to fly such as those in Hawaii - for instance, the mao-nalo, goose-like ducks which migrated (flew) to Hawaii then lost their capability of flight, and later became extinct. It would be self-evident that the absence of 'duck-predators' on the isolated island played a pivotal role but does not explain the biological mechanisms of the de-evolution and loss of the capability for flight. The biology PhD stated that the flight activity for a bird is very "energy-expensive" and without the need for flight the ability ton flight would eventually be lost. While some of my personal spiritual-psychic experiences, as well as the healing of Edgar Cayce, and helping people gain closure by Theresa Caputo would seem to definitely serve a purpose. That is not so clear in other spiritual-psychic experiences.
Link to website: https://www.spirittruthandmeaning.com/
A Special case of "internalization" to be considered = Internalizing Fallacies
"I am sure that imbuing a mind with the Socratic fallacy is quite likely to be morally harmful."
Excerpt from The Socratic Fallacy by GERASIMOS SANTAS
The assumptions:
Let us rather concentrate on two assumptions that Socrates makes: (A) that if you know you are correctly predicating a given term 'T' you must "know what it is to be T," in the sense of being able to give a general criterion for a thing being T; (B) that it is no use to try to arrive at the meaning of 'T' by giving examples of things that are T. (B) in fact follows from (A). (371)
Geach goes on to argue that the "Socratic fallacy" is a fallacy: We know heaps of things without being able to define the terms in which we express our knowledge. Formal definitions are only one way of elucidating terms; a set of examples may in a given case be more useful than a formal definition. (371) In addition, Geach seems to suggest that the Socratic fallacy accounts for the fact that the Socratic dialogues usually end up in aporia: We can indeed see in advance why a Socratic dialogue so often ends in complete failure to elucidate the meaning of a term 'T'.... But if there is no initial agreement either on examples of things that certainly are T or on criteria for predicating 'T', then the discussion is bound to be abortive .... (372)
How harmful the rejection of examples may be we see from the Theaetetus. Theaetetus, asked what knowledge is, gives some instances of knowledge—geometry and shoemaking and the various crafts. Socrates objects that these are only examples, and he wants to know just what knowledge is .... But of course any knowledge is knowledge of so-and-so; and a correct definition would have to run "Knowledge of so-and-so .... " with the "so-and-so" occurring over again in the definiens. (372)
And finally, Geach suggests that the Socratic fallacy can have morally harmful consequences as well:
I am sure that imbuing a mind with the Socratic fallacy is quite likely to be morally harmful. Socrates, let us suppose, chats with an ingenuous youth and says that he has
been puzzled about what injustice is. The youth says, "Well, that's easy; swindling is unjust." Socrates asks him what swindling is; no, examples will not do---a formal definition is required. Failing that, we don't know, do we?, what swindling is, or that it is unjust. The dialogue, we may suppose, ends in the usual aporia. The ingenuous youth decides that perhaps swindling is not unjust; he turns to ways of villainy, and ends up as one of the Thirty Tyrants. After all, a number of Socrates' young men did end that way. (372)
Journal of the History of Philosophy, Volume 10, Number 2, April 1972, pp. 127-141 (Article)
As a footnote I would mention that for bringing this up in a discussion on Academia-edu, the Jungian who initiated the discussion threw me out of the discussion and blocked me from contacting her! - True story. I guess because I suggested the Materialist Definist Fallacy - which Dr Farra terms "spiritual poison" - could also have harmful effects. - Which it clearly does!
The Critical "Driver" of the Materialist Doctrine:
The Materialist “Prove God” Maxim is an artificial academic argument that “attempts” to force a spiritual or religious person to “Prove God or Spirit” – in their view to show that their spiritual beliefs or religious beliefs have any worth or validity. Of course, if you ask any Christian to prove “God” they would likely tell you flat out that it is impossible to prove God and that that argument is really pretty arrogant – and ignorant.
Incredible as it may sound, that is an ongoing methodology used by the “science of psychology.” In an article recently published on the Pubmed site on the NIH website discussed that very issue. The psychologists, William R. Miller and Carl E. Thoresen, unequivocally state in their article, “Spirituality, religion and health: an emerging field of research,” that “A philosophical basis for this perspective is materialism, the belief that there is no is nothing to study because spirituality is intangible and beyond the senses.” This statement of materialist ideology is just another form of the same argument above that states the academic absurd Materialist “Prove God” Maxim with the end result that spiritual and religious beliefs are worthless and have no validity because they are (defined by academics) as “intangible and beyond the senses.” You can’t prove “Intangible” and unmeasured because they are defined as intangible and unmeasurable (beyond the senses).
The truth of it is - actually hundreds of studies have been done on people who have spiritual beliefs or spiritual-psychic experiences – and of course are very “tangible.” The argument is an artificial and arbitrary academic abstraction which is disconnected totally and completely from the real world or any relationship at all to real people as well. How did that academic fallacy survive this long?? It became a norm – unfortunately and I have a hell of time trying to get academics to answer a simple true or false question – seriously. I have been told that right and wrong are relative and don’t apply to materialism. I have also been told that the science of materialism – which it claims to be is not subject to the rules of logic. Crazy but this is a lot of feedback I get – “When” they actually do answer the question.
This is a core argument of the Academic Materialist Doctrine, which I encounter quite often in posting on FB psychology, religion, and neuroscience groups. Time after time, I get told I can’t talk about spirt or spirituality until I prove the existence of “spirit” or “God!” Due to my personal spiritual-psychic experiences, when I came across that, my reaction was: "You can't be serious! Prove God? That is a preposterous idea and a really stupid question - to be blunt!"
You Don't Need a Degree to understand the problem and grasp the Definist Fallacy!
The Materialist “Prove God” Maxim actually defines what should really be termed “Academic” Materialism - which deviates from scientific materialism due to “Prove God” Fallacy. The problem is that The Materialist “Prove God Maxim” - is a Fallacy by the universally accepted rules of logic. One definition of the Definist Fallacy explains it as defining a term used in an argument in a biased manner (e.g., using "loaded terms") One example of the Definist Fallacy cited is "Before we argue about the truth of creationism, let’s define evolution as, “Faith in a crackpot theory that is impossible to prove with certainty.” In a nutshell using a Definist Fallacy requires a person to do things that are impossible and can't be done. You Don't Need a Degree to understand the Definist Fallacy problem.
From dealing with spirituality and spiritual processes for several decades, it is abundantly clear that some people have strong internal - factory installed - software that is repressing spiritual processes - likely to keep those processes in check. So it clear that these unconscious processes would likely boost the ordinary internalization of the Definist Fallacy-Norm and make it more powerful.